UK "Palestine" Embassy website wipes Israel off the map

UK “Palestine” Embassy website wipes Israel off the map

Britain • May 2011 • Views: 643

Some amusing finds on the “Palestinian Embassy” website from the UK. No evidence of “two-state” solution, however.

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Bob Levin Fri, May 6, 2011 1:20:10pm

It appears that many people are under the impression that the wave of support for a Palestinian State according to 1967 borders (this is the key worrisome phrase) is occurring because many people and official diplomats are unaware of Fatah's true intentions.

I think their intentions are well-known. And if there is denial, more evidence certainly isn't going to help.

However, I don't believe naivete or denial is driving this wave. I think many foreign offices simply want this off of their plate. They've been dealing with it for decades, nothing changes, it's a continual black hole of foreign aid, and they've got immigrant populations who are using this conflict as an excuse for whatever trouble they care to cause.

Moreover, it's quite possible that the conflict is no longer tied to oil. In other words, for many years the stance of many nations (the US included) has been dictated by Saudi oil. I don't think there is a link anymore, given the turbulence in the region. Middle East governments are now forced to confront domestic issues, whether there will be foreign support for their own regimes. They don't have the room to play the role of international creators of opinion.

There are pages of more subtleties in play here--and these are what needs to be addressed. Fatah or Hamas intentions are well known, and deemed irrelevant by world players.

sliv_the_eli Fri, May 6, 2011 1:43:06pm

re: #1 Bob Levin

It appears that many people are under the impression that the wave of support for a Palestinian State according to 1967 borders (this is the key worrisome phrase) is occurring because many people and official diplomats are unaware of Fatah's true intentions.

I think their intentions are well-known. And if there is denial, more evidence certainly isn't going to help.

However, I don't believe naivete or denial is driving this wave. I think many foreign offices simply want this off of their plate. They've been dealing with it for decades, nothing changes, it's a continual black hole of foreign aid, and they've got immigrant populations who are using this conflict as an excuse for whatever trouble they care to cause.

Moreover, it's quite possible that the conflict is no longer tied to oil. In other words, for many years the stance of many nations (the US included) has been dictated by Saudi oil. I don't think there is a link anymore, given the turbulence in the region. Middle East governments are now forced to confront domestic issues, whether there will be foreign support for their own regimes. They don't have the room to play the role of international creators of opinion.

There are pages of more subtleties in play here--and these are what needs to be addressed. Fatah or Hamas intentions are well known, and deemed irrelevant by world players.

Bob, your view is much more optimistic than mine on this point. I see this more as a recurrence of the centuries old tendency to allow the hordes to have at the Jews in order to divert the mob's attention from troubles at home -- unemployment, unresponsive government, failing financial markets. In this case, Israel has become and is treated as the Jew among nations, with the various sovereign's "washing their hands" (how's that for an ironic metaphor?) of any post-Shoah sense of responsibility to protect the Jew.

It was to this point that Ariel Sharon once warned the West not to confuse Israel with 1939 Czechoslovakia. So far, Prime Minister Netanyahu seems largely to have taken a similar position, albeit he is a bit more politically savvy about it than Mr. Sharon was. In the end, I fear that the only difference between the fate of Israel vis-a-vis its enemies and the fate of the Jewish communities in the Diaspora that were wiped out by Crusaders, Grand Inquisitors and others will be the willingness of the Jew among nations to defend itself.

As I have written before on these pages, this, and not the supposed moral responsibiltiy of the nations and people of Europe, is the true meaning of the post-Shoah refrain of "Never Again".

Bob Levin Fri, May 6, 2011 2:03:31pm

re: #2 sliv_the_eli

Bob, your view is much more optimistic than mine on this point. I see this more as a recurrence of the centuries old tendency to allow the hordes to have at the Jews in order to divert the mob's attention from troubles at home -- unemployment, unresponsive government, failing financial markets.

I don't think we disagree on this. My paragraph was addressing the European stance, as opposed to talking about how the Middle East nations will attempt to fend off civil war.

In this case, Israel has become and is treated as the Jew among nations, with the various sovereign's "washing their hands" (how's that for an ironic metaphor?) of any post-Shoah sense of responsibility to protect the Jew.

They don't think that they have any responsibility, and according to my interpretations of our scriptures, they don't have that responsibility. However, we have responsibilities, and a very detailed covenant. My feeling is that our institutions have failed to teach this properly--creating a computer program, so to speak, that doesn't work. And when it's clear that it is failing, the institutions double-down.

In the end, I fear that the only difference between the fate of Israel vis-a-vis its enemies and the fate of the Jewish communities in the Diaspora that were wiped out by Crusaders, Grand Inquisitors and others will be the willingness of the Jew among nations to defend itself.

That's the question. How do we fight? The Torah talks about several battles, and there is clearly a correct way to fight, and there is the way that we are stuck with since Tisha B'Av. I think we'd better figure out the correct way pretty quickly, but many Jews either do not feel the urgency, or they feel that the ersatz alternative is the only way. And I put the widespread nature of both of these attitudes at the feet of our institutions.

Bob Levin Fri, May 6, 2011 2:04:11pm

We're going to have to continue this discussion another day. Got to cook.

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